All Triumphs are rubbish.

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Thinking about the Triumph story made me realise how quickly the British car industry changed from a wide range of top brand names with exciting new models and cause for optimism in the sixties, to crap cars and subsequent loss of many proud names in the seventies. For example, someone at Triumph must have had balls to give the go-ahead to the idea of putting a hot six in a Herald and calling it Vitesse. And thanks to whoever did, because that kind of thing would not happen today. Then we had the seventies and the Stag. Michelotti made a good stab at designing the shape, let down only by few details, but why BL did not take the obvious route and use the proven Rover/Buick V8 instead of a fragile untried engine with no future, could only have been down to petty internal politics. Hindsight is easy I know, but if BL had left Rover as the manufacturer of the big luxury saloon and Triumph as the sportier brand there would have been room for parts sharing with the cost saving that implies, and still have preserved both names. By the mid-seventies we had the Triumph 2500PI as a direct rival to the Rover P6 and by then it was only the police who were buying either. The rest of the Triumph porridge range by then, 1300, 1500, Dolomite, were all too similar to justify and with the Spitfire and TR6 (both throwbacks to the old days of real wind-in-the-hair sports cars) pensioned off there was probably only small change left to come up with anything new. TR7/8? No thanks. A cleaned up Mk2 Stag with a proper V8? Didn't happen. Triumph Acclaim? Don't bother.

I don't even look at the Acclaim as a Triumph. It was just a Honda Accord with a Triumph badge. Anyhow by this time BL had lost all credibility. An insult to the Triumph heritage.

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I don't even look at the Acclaim as a Triumph. It was just a Honda Accord with a Triumph badge. Anyhow by this time BL had lost all credibility. An insult to the Triumph heritage.

My point exactly, what a sad cynical end to the Triumph story. Of course Rover, MG, Riley, and many more went the same way. One could say Jaguar have too now. Then of course that story was copied over at Rootes/Chrysler, where Hillman, Singer, Humber and Sunbeam, all got reduced to badge engineered porridge, then lumped in with Simca, once proud Talbot, and the individual Matra name, before getting lost somewhere between the last Hunters and Avengers (as crap as anything BL made at the time) and the all time turkeys Horizon, Alpine and best of all Tagora. Are all those names now in a bin round the back of a Peugeot factory?

By the way, it was a Honda Ballade, not Accord.

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plastic penguin wrote:

I don't even look at the Acclaim as a Triumph. It was just a Honda Accord with a Triumph badge. Anyhow by this time BL had lost all credibility. An insult to the Triumph heritage.

My point exactly, what a sad cynical end to the Triumph story. Of course Rover, MG, Riley, and many more went the same way. One could say Jaguar have too now. Then of course that story was copied over at Rootes/Chrysler, where Hillman, Singer, Humber and Sunbeam, all got reduced to badge engineered porridge, then lumped in with Simca, once proud Talbot, and the individual Matra name, before getting lost somewhere between the last Hunters and Avengers (as crap as anything BL made at the time) and the all time turkeys Horizon, Alpine and best of all Tagora. Are all those names now in a bin round the back of a Peugeot factory?

By the way, it was a Honda Ballade, not Accord.

Perhaps someone should write to Branson or another mega-rich British businessman, requesting to buy the Triumph name off BMW. Afterwhich, gather an Italian designer (external looks), design a brand new engine (from scratch) in a couple of sizes (1.4 PI and 2.5 performance engine) and base it on the values and principles of 60s Triumph. This'll not only revive the name but help British manufacturing, too.

(PP sits back and lights a virtual cigar) 

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Ahaaaaa, understand every word. Great piece of dialogue.... hahaha.

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Yep sudden laps of inteterst, having taken those gap moments out BALLADE its a BALLADE dont yu know, and leaving a trap to shut, be assured, no aquatic creatures were intended to be harmed in the making of...

Anyway back to the 'pointless' points of view-

Virgin Boss Branson did back Ross Brown, when he took over the remnants of the Honda F1 team, re employed unemployed Button and then took the World Championship by storm. A real Triumph.-

 Unlike when Rupert Keegan in some American thing that got taken over by Yardley Mc Laren was at one stage, sponsored by Durex, so maybe if they had more success back then, they might have come out with a car to rival the TR7  called The Hot Gossamer-its awl done in the beyst of possible taste.

(quickly edits the rest, lest it be cut and pasted... 

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But...but...but...

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Yep sudden laps of inteterst, having taken those gap moments out BALLADE its a BALLADE dont yu know, and leaving a trap to shut, be assured, no aquatic creatures were intended to be harmed in the making of...

Anyway back to the 'pointless' points of view-

Virgin Boss Branson did back Ross Brown, when he took over the remnants of the Honda F1 team, re employed unemployed Button and then took the World Championship by storm. A real Triumph.-

 Unlike when Rupert Keegan in some American thing that got taken over by Yardley Mc Laren was at one stage, sponsored by Durex, so maybe if they had more success back then, they might have come out with a car to rival the TR7  called The Hot Gossamer-its awl done in the beyst of possible taste.

(quickly edits the rest, lest it be cut and pasted... 

Once again GBt's illegible gibberish stops what could have been an interesting debate in its tracks. Does he really think any of that is funny? No wonder the intelligent contributors left here long ago, sorry Mr Penguin, but another thread meets a sticky end. So apart from RolyMo's never ending collection of mechanical marvels we have nothing else of any worth left on here.

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Well said Chris Martin, shame you couldnt stick to your vow of staying off here, till offensive comments were removed, especially as most people have been put off by your hypocracy and nasty vile attitude to anyone else, that has driven so many off what is, after all only something to provide a bit of fun.If you are so consumed with envy that you cant contain your juvernile outbursts then go  get some proper help, especially for the Bipolar Symptoms. Who the hell do you think you are accusing people of being lyers and cheats, when they have more integrity in their little fingers than you will ever have in that primate skull. with your woefull track record-including the majority of cowardly nasty snarky remarlks that should have long since been removed from, here along with you 2.

Anyway dont worry you have won and hope to God I never ever have to meet either of you in person,or your PATHETIC namesakes ever ,except maybe in a zoo, besure and stay down under.

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DUESIE wrote:

GBt wrote:

Yep sudden laps of inteterst, having taken those gap moments out BALLADE its a BALLADE dont yu know, and leaving a trap to shut, be assured, no aquatic creatures were intended to be harmed in the making of...

Anyway back to the 'pointless' points of view-

Virgin Boss Branson did back Ross Brown, when he took over the remnants of the Honda F1 team, re employed unemployed Button and then took the World Championship by storm. A real Triumph.-

 Unlike when Rupert Keegan in some American thing that got taken over by Yardley Mc Laren was at one stage, sponsored by Durex, so maybe if they had more success back then, they might have come out with a car to rival the TR7  called The Hot Gossamer-its awl done in the beyst of possible taste.

(quickly edits the rest, lest it be cut and pasted... 

Once again GBt's illegible gibberish stops what could have been an interesting debate in its tracks. Does he really think any of that is funny? No wonder the intelligent contributors left here long ago, sorry Mr Penguin, but another thread meets a sticky end. So apart from RolyMo's never ending collection of mechanical marvels we have nothing else of any worth left on here.

"Hello Mr. DUESIE, and welcome to Triumph customer service. Would you like to ask about 'are truneons made from plasticine', 'will radios ever work under a viaducts', ' how to organise your toolbox' or 'all Triumphs will be inherently sh**e once BL gets their grubby mits on them?'. Golly, what a wheeze."