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Chris Martin
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Another question about C&SC June 2012; has anybody esle noticed anything odd about the photos of the 'barn find' Porsche on page 30. Looks a bit suspect to me, as if that Porsche has never actually seen the inside of that barn?

Any thoughts? Any Photoshop artists have anything to suggest?

And for next month? Well it will be Nuno;s turn to celebrate - C&SC has a Scirocco feature, better hope it gets the better of the Alfa !

Chris M.

 

Chris Martin
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And if we may step back from the latest issue, I have another comment about a previous C≻ re the March 2012 feature on page118.

So what exactly was Paul Fearnley trying to say with his top ten list of Mobile Chicanes, or 'ill-advised motor-sport makeweights'? More likely one of C&SC's less well researched top ten lists!

Sure the Life W12 was never going anywhere, but far bigger names have had their fingers burned trying something different in Formula One. BRM V16 anyone? Who knows, with similar funding the Life W12 could have been as good as the V12 Porsche in the Footwork FA12 and that was an all time turkey.

Kurtis Kraft midgets scored so many victories it is inevitable there would be a couple of losses. The Healey 3000, and to a lesser degree the Mini Marcos, were competitive in many major events, so it is not their fault if the ACO's rules at Le Mans decreed them eligible alongside such monsters as GT40s, Ferrari P4s etc where they would be "mobile chicanes" to the top flight drivers, they were still racing for class victory.

As for the others, the Cummins diesel was slow, but as an experiment, surely worth a go, and the people behind the Stebro can't be blamed for trying, F1 was different then and open to a lot more amateurs making up the numbers behind the works teams, however slow, there was the possibility of a good finish and prize money.

The biggest howler however was Mr Fearnley's number 1 choice of the Frontenac Ford at Indy; why have a go without even checking the facts?.

To give a stronger argument against it's inclusion in such a list, it is worth looking at the real story behind the 'Frontys'.

Louis Chevrolet lost control of his eponymous car company when it was taken over by W.C.Durant. The Chevrolet brothers then set up the Chevrolet Manufacturing Company in Indianapolis to build race cars, make Frontenac cylinder heads, originally OHV, later even  a 16 valve twin OHC, as well as crankshafts and other parts they designed for speed. They also built many specials based on Ford and other chassis.

Louis' brother Gaston won the Indy 500 in 1920 in a Frontenac, and after his death on a board track, another 'Fronty' owned by Loius and driven by Tommy Milton, won in '21.

When Barber-Warnock, a Ford dealership in Indiana decided on a crack at the big 500 they called on the Chevrolets and had the specials built around Model T frames with streamlined single seater bodywork typical of the era, using Fronty Ford engines. The Chevrolet brothers Louis and Arthur acted as managers while mechanics from the dealerships built the cars up and acted as crew at the race.

The B-W was not disgraced by finishing fifth in 1923 and who could blame them for entering three cars in '24. Three Fronty specials entered were classified 14th with a Bill Hunt driving, 16th with Alfred E. Moss (yes he was Sir Stirling's dad) and Fred Harder was 17th. All three ran at similar speeds, about 75 mph in the turns but up to 95 mph on the straights. Apart from this, America's most high profile race, the very popular Frontys won countless speedway and dirt track events right through the twenties and modified Frontenac Model A Fords continued to win on short course ovals and dirt tracks into the thirties.

To compound Mr Fearnley's errors the featured photo is an oft-published and well known image of Alfred E. Moss at Brooklands, not Indianapolis, in what is indeed a Fronty Ford powered car, but there the similarity ends. It is a Belgian SpeedSport, identifiable by it's radiator, two-seater bodywork and the four-wheel brakes by Dufour and apart from frame and engine tuning parts has nothing in common with the Barber-Warnock Specials. This photo was probably taken some time after Moss returned from his foray to Indy. By Mr Fearnley's logic, have Mr Schumacher and Mr Brawn also been 'ill-advised makeweights' these last two years? They have blown far more money on equally poor results.

I guess it's about time C&SC covered the Frontenac story and do the Chevrolet brothers justice.

Chris M

This is the official startline photo of Alfred Moss in the number 28 Barber-Warnock Special in which he finished 16th (and probably collected a few dollars too) in the 1924 running of the Indy 500.

 

Chris Martin
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So can anyone tell me what happened to the text in the above post?

There is a note under the window I am typing in that says " Lines and paragraphs break automatically".

I had that post written out in an easy to read format of lines and paragraphs, but it appeared condensed into one hard to read block. Any ideas?

Chris M.

 

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Chris Martin wrote:

So can anyone tell me what happened to the text in the above post?

No, but I think I've fixed it.

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Chris Martin
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James Elliott wrote:

Chris Martin wrote:

So can anyone tell me what happened to the text in the above post?

No, but I think I've fixed it.

Thanks.

C.M.

 

Chris Martin
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But I was sneakily hoping one of you C&SC folks would rattle Mr Fearnley's cage to see if he might like to reply......or do I have to write the Frontenac story for you?

Chris M.

 

Mario Laguna
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Lotus Elan owners and fans are spoiled! (July 2012)

 

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Just finished the June Issue (the July will be here in 8/19 days).

Its a normal issue, and  by the CSC standarts that means a good issue.

I find the article about the BMW 700, very interesting as  the Harry Fergusen story and the article of those early 4WD converted cars.

Mr Buckley article about the Austin Princess is very goog as usual, but this month his BACKFIRE chronicle did not interest me as usual, probably its due to my adticion to GT Man tales. From my point of view, this  month the MISFRIRE from J. Elliot have more interest...

Also find very interesting the Vauxhall Droop Snoot article as the indredilble reborn of the Siat.

The Aston Martin DB7 article, provide one of those moments when after you read about some  car, you never look at him the same way again. all cars will pass that point sooner... or later for the more commun models. I think that for a lot of people, it will appens the same with the Scirocco article on next issue.

The Bugatti F1 and the Lancia Flavia range articles, about the two diferent ways of brands going down, make my carculture grown up.

All the usual small regulars as "Our cars" ( the Ports Bugs life...) etc, etc, etc, are good as always and its a pleasure to read them, while at the same time they keep ourselfs connected with our passion in almost every matter...

Keep the good work and lets see the next one.

nuno granja

 

PS, Dont know if the 911 barnfind from page 30 is 100% photoshop stuff, but the lights scheme looks professional, so they may had a studio build at the barn or take the studio lights to the barn... or have a very good phothosp skills..

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Quick question for Mr (and Mrs) Clements after reading the July article on the Taimar turbo.

If she wouldn't have gone out with you if you had still owned the Tasmin (April issue), would she have done so if you had had a proper looking TVR? My wife did, I had a Taimar when we started seeing each other, a 3000S turbo by the time we got engaged. 

 

Oliver.

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Chris Martin
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I know I already posted this somehwere else recently, but just so Martin Buckley knows he is not alone in his admiration for the Austin Princess line, here is one I found locally.

By the way, I am still waiting for an explanation re the Alfred Moss Fronty Ford at Indianapolis balls-up by Mr Fearnley as mentioned above.

Chris M.