Define a 'Classic'...?

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My interpretation of a classic is a car over 10 years old and/or discontinued model that makes your eyes light up for whatever reason: Could be the type of engine/noise or body styling, interior topography - or all four.

Certainly my Alfa 156 pretty much falls into that catagory, likewise Capri 2.8 Injection, some TVR models...

...And I think vintage is any car pre WWII. One of my ambitions is to participate in the annual London/Brighton car rally. You could probably blame Dinah Sheridan and Kenneth Moore for this. I've always had an interest for old prop planes and cars, although Mrs. P would catagorically appraise it as an obsession.

C'est la vie.

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mrtotty wrote:
A classic is a car of at least thirty years old that has style, panache and a nice-sounding engine. Other than that, I can't suggest anything.

The thirty year idea has been mentioned before, that could be a good guideline, but adjectives like style and panache are even more subjective than classic so no help here. As for a nice sounding engine, nice but not compulsory or we would have to discount a lot of VWs and Porsches and did you ever get an earful of that rough old B18 in the Volvo P1800.

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plastic penguin wrote:

My interpretation of a classic is a car over 10 years old and/or discontinued model that makes your eyes light up for whatever reason: Could be the type of engine/noise or body styling, interior topography - or all four.

Certainly my Alfa 156 pretty much falls into that catagory, likewise Capri 2.8 Injection, some TVR models...

...And I think vintage is any car pre WWII. One of my ambitions is to participate in the annual London/Brighton car rally. You could probably blame Dinah Sheridan and Kenneth Moore for this. I've always had an interest for old prop planes and cars, although Mrs. P would catagorically appraise it as an obsession.

C'est la vie.

As I posted at the start; "The term vintage has long been accepted as that defined by the VSCC, meaning strictly made between 1919 and 1930, with those before 1919 being termed veteran.". These guidelines are generally written in stone and I think you will find all motoring organisations, publishers,  journalists, even insurance companies stick to these dates, An often used term for cars made between 1931 and 1939 is Post-Vintage, or more often just pre-war. As for the idea that a ten year old could be a classic, I suspect the majority would prefer an earlier dateline if one was to be set, but some use the term 'future classic' for more modern models. Not wishing to offend against anyone's personal taste, but I have never heard anyone call an Alfa 156 a classic before. As we have already found though, these are very moveable goalposts.

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DUESIE wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

My interpretation of a classic is a car over 10 years old and/or discontinued model that makes your eyes light up for whatever reason: Could be the type of engine/noise or body styling, interior topography - or all four.

Certainly my Alfa 156 pretty much falls into that catagory, likewise Capri 2.8 Injection, some TVR models...

...And I think vintage is any car pre WWII. One of my ambitions is to participate in the annual London/Brighton car rally. You could probably blame Dinah Sheridan and Kenneth Moore for this. I've always had an interest for old prop planes and cars, although Mrs. P would catagorically appraise it as an obsession.

C'est la vie.

As I posted at the start; "The term vintage has long been accepted as that defined by the VSCC, meaning strictly made between 1919 and 1930, with those before 1919 being termed veteran.". These guidelines are generally written in stone and I think you will find all motoring organisations, publishers,  journalists, even insurance companies stick to these dates, An often used term for cars made between 1931 and 1939 is Post-Vintage, or more often just pre-war. As for the idea that a ten year old could be a classic, I suspect the majority would prefer an earlier dateline if one was to be set, but some use the term 'future classic' for more modern models. Not wishing to offend against anyone's personal taste, but I have never heard anyone call an Alfa 156 a classic before. As we have already found though, these are very moveable goalposts.

In my limited opinion, although not set in stone, that's my (dubious) take. That said, come next month, that opinion of mine may change, hence why the thread was started.

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Another guide is Wikipedia, but even there the definitions are all qualified with variation and clauses. The term Vintage Car is defined as I said before but there are other possibilities, see here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_car

There is a table at the bottom of the page that shows veteran as up to 1905 and a lot of other terminology such as Brass Era, Edwardian or Antique, but these references are all from American sources which do vary from the UK. They also define Classic as 1950s to 1970s so no help here.

For more on the American meaning of classic see here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car

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DUESIE wrote:

Another guide is Wikipedia, but even there the definitions are all qualified with variation and clauses. The term Vintage Car is defined as I said before but there are other possibilities, see here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_car

There is a table at the bottom of the page that shows veteran as up to 1905 and a lot of other terminology such as Brass Era, Edwardian or Antique, but these references are all from American sources which do vary from the UK. They also define Classic as 1950s to 1970s so no help here.

For more on the American meaning of classic see here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car

Fair play - I think modtech is far too easy to access these days. The problems with the cyber info is they tend to deprive individuals of their own personal experiences. I like to throw the text book away, on occasions, and get one-to-one experiences. This is one reason I rarely put up links... 

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DUESIE wrote:

and did you ever get an earful of that rough old B18 in the Volvo P1800.

True enough. I suppose the Citroen DS 23 would fall into the same category - not a particularly nice-sounding engine but oozing classic status from every pore.

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My idea of a "classic" car would be one which adheres to the highest artistic and scientific standards, qualities and or class, which also serves as a standard... Age alone would not be a factor.

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I Easy enough to spot what most consider not Vintage or Classic here,

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GBt wrote:

I Easy enough to spot what most consider not Vintage or Classic here,

With that three-wheeler hacking around the lanes, you wouldn't want to be a hedgehog crossing the road.