Spotted - Classic Cars At Shows - Not On The Road

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More from Lisbon MotorClassico Show

 

Some clubs, start with the 356 Club, staring an orange 356 on UK plates...

 

Porsche Club...

 

CPAA, the oldest Portuguese Classic Car Club.

 

MG Club...

 

Japanese Car Club...

 

Heinkel Friends...

 

Triumph Club...

 

Opel Gt Club...

 

Opel Club...

 

UMM club...

 

Club LOTUS...

 

A pristine UNO Turbo, in one o the 3 Fiat Club with stands there...

 

More Fiats...

 

Other general clubs...

 

The National Classic Car Museum Stand (Museu do Caramulo).

 

Museu do Caramulo is the only nacional car museum and one of the  most prestigious institucions here, butI  don't like the way they support the Lisbon Low Emissions Rules. If we act like them our passion will become  a rich people hobby and that's scaring.

They organize the Caramulo MotorFestival, some kind of our Goodwood. I made a public statement on the portuguese classic car web forum, saying that youngtimers, popular and modified classic owners and people who made daily use of their classics  must not go there as from M.Caramulo point of view, those cars are not classics and have not "storical interest". From my point of view Museu do Caramulo must do the party (and attract the sponsors...) only with the cars they approved as "real classics" with "storical interest*". We must not contribute to the organisers have fat numbers to show to the sponsors when this people contribute alive on the TV to the low emissions zone saga.

They dont like it at all, even if that came from a poor guy who drives  Sciroccos and Audi Coupé  GT. In a tipical portuguese fashion, someone from the museun came on the web forum and insteat of justify their position with facts, start saying "how do you dare to question us?", "you must have personal issues against  us"  an so on (last century we have almost 48 years of dictatorship and that leave marks..).

 

* Having a car classified as "storical interest", its one of the only way to drive it in Low Emission Zone in Lisbon, and from Museu do Caramulo point of view if a car is used daily or is not 100% original it have no "storic interest". That will led a lot of cars to be scraped.

When the Low Emission Zone in Lisbon was set up, some one from the Museu do Caramulo, came on national TV and instead of say something about the (lots of) legal and scientific bugs of the rule, just talk about how to put a catalytic exhaust on classics. From my point of view with friends like that, the classic car owners don't need enemys.

The national car club (ACP - Automovel Clube de Portugal ) have a completly different position and fight this rule in public.

more (cars) to come...

 

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Now some cars froms the professionals. Less exhibitors due to the crisis, but the the variety and the  merchandise quality  was  good  for the portuguese standarts....

 more to come...

 

 

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Some cars from the auction.

 

The first car auctioned is this Lancia Flavia, and on the web everybody is talking about it, because it was sold on the hammer by 300.00euros and later in the same evening, sold again by 600.00euros.

 

More cars to go under de hammer...

 

And to finish come cars parked outside...

 

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Fresh catch

 

Some cars spotted yesterday at Lisbon RWD weekly informal meeting. It' the  the first time I go there in the  last two months as I have been very  busy...

 

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Fresh Catch,

Some cars spotted a the Aveiro Automobilia (Autojumble) car park. I only could manage to get there sunday at the end of the day, just a few hours before the doors close.

As at the same time was running a big futebol game ( the last one of the season and the one who will decide the championship) and we could only find there  die hard petrolheads. But is seems that dispite the crisis, it had been a good autojumble.

 

A Mustang with my Audi Coupé behind

 

A Rover SD1 on Cosmics weels. Its the "new" car from a  fellow member from the portuguese web forum, and we could see the shadows of 4 (diehard) petrolheads chatting about it....

 

Some kind of a "Ratlook" VW Type 1 "Oval", allready posted on other topic, when a few week ago I spotted it at Oporto...

 

A nice Mercedes W115 ...

 

Other members from the web forum, leaving to see the match on their Escorts and Fiat 128 (this one had a photos on CSC a few years ago, taken during a willclimb.)

 

 

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Nuno Granja wrote:

Fresh catch

 

Some cars spotted yesterday at Lisbon RWD weekly informal meeting. It' the  the first time I go there in the  last two months as I have been very  busy...

 

 

 

 

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Renault 5?

RWD?

 

 

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A Mustang with my Audi Coupé behind

 

A Rover SD1 on Cosmics weels. Its the "new" car from a  fellow member from the portuguese web forum, and we could see the shadows of 4 (diehard) petrolheads chatting about it....

 

Some kind of a "Ratlook" VW Type 1 "Oval", allready posted on other topic, when a few week ago I spotted it at Oporto...

 

A nice Mercedes W115 ...

 

Other members from the web forum, leaving to see the match on their Escorts and Fiat 128 (this one had a photos on CSC a few years ago, taken during a willclimb.)

 

 

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I am trying to post a reply here, but the page keeps jumping back to the Mustang photo - c'mon C&SC you need to get this forum working right!

If this gets through this time, I was just going to say that the photo of the Rover and the Peugeot sums up what is wrong with car design today.  There are two cars from a similar period, that were designed individually to target different markets, and both were recognised as the best in their respective field in their day.  Today they are both remembered with nostalgia and few of the thousands (millions?) sold survive.

Either one would do for me.

Also good to see the first generation Mustang - although it wears wires - was not subjected to the big shiny wheel syndrome, or the even cheaper and tackier two stripe makeover.

Well done!

Chris M.

 

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:)

 

Chris,

 

At the beginning the meeting was sut up by RWD fans, but as it grows, some FWD start to show up as me with my Sciroccos por Audi Coupe nobody show animosity :)

The the vast majority of cars still RWD.

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Thanks for your words Chris,

I understand your point of view and I love both, but i think the Peugeot is a car with a better enginnering and assembly quality and the Rover lack a lot of both, even if is a good loking car (iit's a 2600cc petrol engined verson, rare in Portugal as most are diesels).

My father wealthiest friend (i think...) is a 70yo petrol head, who uses a late model Honda Civic  R as daily driver when in town,  owns a Porsche 993 (bought new..) for the week-ends (he said to me that after 160km/h he start to forget the management of his business...) and a Range Rover when he goes to his cottage in the montains.

He bought the only SD1 Vitesse (still owns it) I ever see in Portugal, but in the past when he use it as daily driver mom was allways saying "I dont understand, whys such an expensive car is  broken again and again".  

When I take the photo we are talking about that and even the owner make jokes about the car flaws.

 

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Some pics I take inside...

 

A curious FIAT van mobile workshop (with a lot of tools inside...) , probably used as some kind of portugese FIAT own AA...

 

A CSc publication...

 

 

to be continued.

 

 

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