Tell this to the Greenies.

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DUESIE
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While the ill-informed so-called Greenie Leftie do-gooders in politics would have us scrap all old cars, the real answer is the opposite. Give tax incentives to those who would preserve them. Why? The only reason I can think that a government would want to push that through would be to promote the sales of new cars, which surely goes against what is really green? As most of the older established car companies are disappearing and the economies of the Western nations are likewise shrinking, there is very little reason to protect what is left. How many cars are made in England now? If we held up Morgan, Aston Martin and Rolls-Royce as examples, fine cars that they are, they are not exactly mainstream and made in fairly small numbers anyway. Meanwhile since various nations can't agree on carbon trading or whatever is needed, (and I don't pretend to understand the finer details of Kyoto agreements etc) it seems the countries that do not want to bother much on limiting their pollution and have expanding economies based on increased manufacturing capabilities are the same countries that will be supplying most of the new car market in the near future. The Indian, Chinese, Korean and Malyasian car companies have learned fast and are doing to the Japanese what Datsun/Nissan and Toyota did to the European and American manufacturers in the seventies. There is the argument that new cars are more fuel efficient, but there is also the argument that the energy used in manufacturing that car far outweighs it's perceived efficiency in it's lifetime. Buying a car that is already in existence, rather than using more resources to build more is surely cleaner? The latest report from the FBHVC in this month's C&SC states that "our hobby is worth a staggering  £4.3 billion to this country's economy" so how green is it to scrap another Morris Minor/Ford Cortina/Edsel Citation, take your pick, and buy an Indian/Chinese take away that will probably only last five years anyway, and then need recycling itself. Now, how do we get this message across to the politicians such that they see the benefits, or at least see it as a vote winner?
mikeC
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DUESIE wrote:

 ...How many cars are made in England now?...
Well, quite a lot, actually! They may not have British names, but Nissan in Sunderland, Toyota in Derby and Honda in Swindon produce quite a few... Nevertheless, I agree with your basic sentiments - it must be better for the planet to keep using an older car whilst it still has life in it, rather than throwing it away to get a brand new one, especially if that new car has also created vast pollution being transported to this country in the first place!
DUESIE
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I wasn't including the Japanese manufacturers, as although they may still account for a few jobs, they will go the way of the old British names they in turn replaced soon enough, and meanwhile it would be strange if a British government now put in place protectionist measures in favour of Japanese companies would it not. As for the second point, yes of course shipping cars from the far east to a British port is going to use a lot of energy, but more important is the 'carbon' cost of making the thing from mining raw materials, transport, processing them, more transport to manufacturing even before it gets on the ship. And all this in countries that have no interest in reducing their pollution. No, far greener to keep the old Zephyr and using good old British know-how to maintain it.

Albert222
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NIGA
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It's not only the governments (not just the British government, but mainly the EU which is dictating such policies) that must be pursuaded but also corporate policies on leased fleet replacement. New vehicles every three years for their staff is such a waste of resources and an unnecessary luxury

DUESIE
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Agreed the EU has never done anything worthwhile. I think it only exists by mutual agreement to reduce unemployment by giving redundant civil servants something to do at taxpayers expense. As for the company car/fleet sales, I guess the regulations vary in different countries but the way tax laws are structured so anyone with a job that might involve travelling outside the office can have the use of a new car, makes that car a perk of the job. I suspect such fleet sales count for a large percentage of new car sales, but irresepctive of who is buying them, my message to the greenies is that the more they act to protect new car sales, the more we will increase pollution coming out of unregulated countries like China and India. If on the other hand. policies were reversed, and the older the car the more generous the tax benefit, that pollution would be reduced.