Who reads this forum, and what are they interested in?

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Significant I reckon, but of the regular blogs on this site, James Elliott's tale about how and why he might like a Triumph Stag has generated the most interest. I, and a few others, have tried to start discussion on what are probably more obscure subjects and so far have had no useful replies. I am surprised that this forum has not yet managed to attract a lot more people and therefore a lot more widespread knowledge, but maybe in time it will. I know I am getting frustrated that whenever I have tried to start a conversation it gets quickly hi-jacked by someone who not only has nothing to add to the relevant points, but goes off on a ramble that loses the plot quicker than a goldfish watching Poirot.

But what does this say about Triumph Stags? That they are something we all can have some knowledge, experience or opinion of, whether good or bad? Does it tell us that the average age of the folks on here is between 50 and 70, ie chaps who might have been in the market for a sports car in the seventies?

Presumably a British majority too?

Is there a misplaced nostalgia for the once great British badges that were already heading for oblivion when The Beatles called it a day? I too miss real MGs, and remember with horror that last Triumph/Honda Ballade or whatever it was, even worse than an MG Montego or a Rover 214, each a travesty when considering their genes, but the Stag was really neither success or failure, it just got lost in that no-mans-land somewhere between the still groovy and hairy chested TR6 and a 'sorry we have run out of money' TR7.

I suspect I may have made more enemies than friends on this thread, or was James just cleverly playing devil's advocate to see how much controversy he could stir up, and I just came along to put more fuel on his fire?

Still, fact is, Stags, like 'em or not, the argument has been the busiest on here.

Discuss.

Chris Martin

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Putting the whole Stag issue aside for a moment (it is a Marmite car - love it or hate it – so I guess that it will always gets a response) my frustration GreaseMonkey, is that the stats show that a hell of a lot of people are reading the forums quite avidly... and yet not contributing.

I personally am really enjoying them (even though I don't have anything useful to add about cars with kitchen sinks in them!) and especially the stuff you and V8Woodie have been doing on Yanks. Please do keep it up.

I've spoken to some of our other websites about this (Pistonheads and What Hi-Fi? in particular) an apparently I am being too impatient:  it takes time to build a community and they reckon that, in terms of quantity and especially quality of posts (all those spammers aside), this one has got off to a roaring start compared with many that are now huge.

Their message is, keep it up like this and more people will find it irresistible because we are a board church and the genuine enthusiasts are interested in everything. Well, that or just start a load of pointlessly controversial threads and spam everyone else's sites with them, but that's not really our style.

I'll try and get together some stats on which are the most read forum threads, but in the meantime keep calm and carry on. Please. We already have some fantastically knowledgeable contributors and I wouldn't want to lose any of them.

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Significant I reckon, but of the regular blogs on this site, James Elliott's tale about how and why he might like a Triumph Stag has generated the most interest. I, and a few others, have tried to start discussion on what are probably more obscure subjects and so far have had no useful replies. I am surprised that this forum has not yet managed to attract a lot more people and therefore a lot more widespread knowledge, but maybe in time it will. I know I am getting frustrated that whenever I have tried to start a conversation it gets quickly hi-jacked by someone who not only has nothing to add to the relevant points, but goes off on a ramble that loses the plot quicker than a goldfish watching Poirot.

But what does this say about Triumph Stags? That they are something we all can have some knowledge, experience or opinion of, whether good or bad? Does it tell us that the average age of the folks on here is between 50 and 70, ie chaps who might have been in the market for a sports car in the seventies?

Presumably a British majority too?

Is there a misplaced nostalgia for the once great British badges that were already heading for oblivion when The Beatles called it a day? I too miss real MGs, and remember with horror that last Triumph/Honda Ballade or whatever it was, even worse than an MG Montego or a Rover 214, each a travesty when considering their genes, but the Stag was really neither success or failure, it just got lost in that no-mans-land somewhere between the still groovy and hairy chested TR6 and a 'sorry we have run out of money' TR7.

I suspect I may have made more enemies than friends on this thread, or was James just cleverly playing devil's advocate to see how much controversy he could stir up, and I just came along to put more fuel on his fire?

Still, fact is, Stags, like 'em or not, the argument has been the busiest on here.

Discuss.

Chris Martin

I too get frustrated when some deliborately go 'off topic' but that could be said for most forums. Forums don't achieve anything other than giving someone a voice to express their personal take. Sometimes - the likes of me - the less tecnical minded members can get lost in a sea of stats and figures.

Think it's good that we all have a preferance and can be freely expressed. What hi-fi? S&V have about 50k contributors, but that creates problems itself. Many threads get locked because of idiots. The refreshing aspect of this forum is that most members don't come on just to argue.

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GreaseMonkey wrote:

Significant I reckon, but of the regular blogs on this site, James Elliott's tale about how and why he might like a Triumph Stag has generated the most interest. I, and a few others, have tried to start discussion on what are probably more obscure subjects and so far have had no useful replies. I am surprised that this forum has not yet managed to attract a lot more people and therefore a lot more widespread knowledge, but maybe in time it will. I know I am getting frustrated that whenever I have tried to start a conversation it gets quickly hi-jacked by someone who not only has nothing to add to the relevant points, but goes off on a ramble that loses the plot quicker than a goldfish watching Poirot.

But what does this say about Triumph Stags? That they are something we all can have some knowledge, experience or opinion of, whether good or bad? Does it tell us that the average age of the folks on here is between 50 and 70, ie chaps who might have been in the market for a sports car in the seventies?

Presumably a British majority too?

Is there a misplaced nostalgia for the once great British badges that were already heading for oblivion when The Beatles called it a day? I too miss real MGs, and remember with horror that last Triumph/Honda Ballade or whatever it was, even worse than an MG Montego or a Rover 214, each a travesty when considering their genes, but the Stag was really neither success or failure, it just got lost in that no-mans-land somewhere between the still groovy and hairy chested TR6 and a 'sorry we have run out of money' TR7.

I suspect I may have made more enemies than friends on this thread, or was James just cleverly playing devil's advocate to see how much controversy he could stir up, and I just came along to put more fuel on his fire?

Still, fact is, Stags, like 'em or not, the argument has been the busiest on here.

Discuss.

Chris Martin

I too get frustrated when some deliborately go 'off topic' but that could be said for most forums. Forums don't achieve anything other than giving someone a voice to express their personal take. Sometimes - the likes of me - the less tecnical minded members can get lost in a sea of stats and figures.

Think it's good that we all have a preferance and can be freely expressed. What hi-fi? S&V have about 50k contributors, but that creates problems itself. Many threads get locked because of idiots. The refreshing aspect of this forum is that most members don't come on just to argue.

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It does indeed take a while for a forum to get up to speed, I was a Pistonheads member from day 1 because it grew from the old TVR Club mailing list and even with that audience moving across at the very start it took a long while to become the monster it is today.  I moderate small sections on a couple of massive internet forums and although the spammers, trolls, Walter Mittys, armchair "experts" and the good old mentally unhinged are still there, they do become less noticeable as the number of "normal" posters grows ever larger.  I would say that the "ignore poster" button has made my life so much easier, if James can get the software gonks working on one it will dramatically reduce the number of aneurysms the more sensitive souls may suffer.

The whole experience will improve as regular users get to know each other's styles and areas of interest, it will probably help if we can utilise the non-classic forum a bit more, just get some general chat going and have some fun.  Both of the sites I mentioned are very focused, one military and one aviation, but by far the largest numbers of posts on each of them are in the off topic areas, I'm just grateful I don't have to moderate either one of them!

I've wanted this site to exist in this form for many years and after the wait it is very easy to get wound up because someone says something I consider to be irrelevant, crass or just bloody annoying (what do you mean you haven't noticed!) but it will take a while before it becomes the font of all knowledge and the source of wonderful tales,.A s James said, the Yank threads are fabulous,  just the sort of thing I'd hoped for. I'm sure more of the readership will find it's way here as the days pass, perhaps Alastair can threaten to put a Marina on the cover unless more people use the website!

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Thanks for the replys fellas. Of course all internet forums do take time to reach their target readership, and with so many on-line now we probably all have only limited time to join in. I was pleased to see C&SC set this one up, as apart from being the best of the old car mag's it always has covered a wide variety of all things automotive, and hopefully in time will attract a similarly diverse collection of contributors. For my part, I have posted a few threads of deliberately minor interest subjects just to see who is out there, and of course did not really expect to be overwhelmed with replies from similarly minded pedants! Still, there are loads more tall tales and strange stories where they came from.

I have emailed James direct with a couple of suggestions that may help.

Chris Martin

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OK I hold my hands up and see I'm outnumbered, wannaB cyber bullies rule the roost, ok yar.

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GBt wrote:

OK I hold my hands up and see I'm outnumbered, wannaB cyber bullies rule the roost, ok yar.

Eh?

What's Gavin owning up to now? And who are the 'wannaB cyber bullies'? I think we should be told!

And what does that have to do with my original question, ie; who reads this site, and what are their interests. Presumably we can say they have a broad interest in classic cars, but as I said, I posted a few deliberately off-centre topics to see if any like-minded folks were out there, against the odds I know, but always worth a try.

So, maybe if a few of the rest of you did likewise, y'know start a new thread on something that is YOUR particular area of interest, we could get an idea of how wide a field we are trying to cover, and also maybe, through the good offices of Google attract more people to look in and read.

There's yer challenge chaps, go for it!

Chris M.

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Are you doing all this freelance or something, I mean who is we, as far as I recall you werent here abouts in the ;good old days' when this forum was struggling with a few of us/ and not the mechanics readily at hand to make it a success, but hey no doubt you will be full of self praise for being the saviour of it, you continually ask but rarely do you give out anything in the field of simple good manners in reply.Oh sorry I forgot Dave Richard s i think it was did say something ...off.

I held my hands up to the waffle and going off at tangeants, so here we go again, whence voluntary editor, as my pa was for pay on top rags, for not only a guild ,and a couple of  car Clubs I had given up the former, as a it was costing me a fortune in travel, and b all the clubs agrreeing to a national umberella association couldnt take the AACs insistence they were no longer  gonna sponsor their activist(I wasnt aware they had)who was also Chairperson of said. SO maybe again a clash of personalities, I bowed out. again tho not before some of you lot out there were granted a for a change, instead of a stricture(offf road tax) I was also laid off again, so doing endless hours thereafter,for Securicor succumed to a first of now 3 Corinaries.

Thereafter the lady who said it was a relief to not have to write out my endless ramblings, for The American Independants CC,did an endless(one and only mag), on drag racing-then a young kid had a go, the best he quoted ever, and ever the last too, when they pleaded for yours truly to take it over again I said no,

All used to moan except Daimlers strangely enough that put my stuff above Quentin Wilsons. Fame at last but hey they were gentlemanly enough to accept it both with the good grace and obvious intention on every time.

Not so this and I think another 57 varieties whom were in receipt of some sketched material and stanpmed adreessed return ones, and I got 3 back-Express(dad was City Editor on circa 1950s)autocar, he/i just bought, and Viz, nice replies but yes fine they had their own cartonist and maybe better ones too.

Yes I also hold my habd up  to getingt on peoples nerves on F1 sites, till we actually met in persons, they gave me a whole thread to play upon/on one but still feature some freebee toons and managed a ban off a very stuffy Piaggio scooter site, with the wonderous word begonne disruptive troll(what a lure type fishing device, which is what troll means in IT parlance,not some cgi kiddies film fare), )anyway before suffering any more sleepless night or indurous health issues, am tempted to exit for right portol, on the other hand might be more interesting to hang on in an bug you(plural anyone-does anyone out there know, can you help me, dissapears into a cloud of etherial dust when finding no echo out there in hyperspace)

heres another tip attempting to gang up with a other character because you feel it wasnt attacting enough response-better ask Buckley about yanks hereinand abouts, Woody Woodpecker (from toy story and Grease Monkey out on a ramble together, ho, but even if you knew not the ensuing fate of that 66 Landau and he would still have been in the dark regarding a hit makers TBird(and at least acknowleged that, as he did the actual car that was from the actual really early days of dragsters, not 15 years on in England, was still this stuff has been endlessly overplayed in many a car mag, including the guy that did them but got outvoted on the Guild Editorship at Gaydon,and stopped printing his very good periodicals out, so the faithfull, me included buy the much improved Classic american for our fixes, and hey guess what they have been known to print ny endless stuff hooray.

No apologies for the length of rant content context or whatsoever the elite regard as beneath them either, Gavin Boyd Thomson

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GBt wrote:

Are you doing all this freelance or something, I mean who is we, as far as I recall you werent here abouts in the ;good old days' when this forum was struggling with a few of us/ and not the mechanics readily at hand to make it a success, but hey no doubt you will be full of self praise for being the saviour of it, you continually ask but rarely do you give out anything in the field of simple good manners in reply.Oh sorry I forgot Dave Richard s i think it was did say something ...off.

I held my hands up to the waffle and going off at tangeants, so here we go again, whence voluntary editor, as my pa was for pay on top rags, for not only a guild ,and a couple of  car Clubs I had given up the former, as a it was costing me a fortune in travel, and b all the clubs agrreeing to a national umberella association couldnt take the AACs insistence they were no longer  gonna sponsor their activist(I wasnt aware they had)who was also Chairperson of said. SO maybe again a clash of personalities, I bowed out. again tho not before some of you lot out there were granted a for a change, instead of a stricture(offf road tax) I was also laid off again, so doing endless hours thereafter,for Securicor succumed to a first of now 3 Corinaries.

Thereafter the lady who said it was a relief to not have to write out my endless ramblings, for The American Independants CC,did an endless(one and only mag), on drag racing-then a young kid had a go, the best he quoted ever, and ever the last too, when they pleaded for yours truly to take it over again I said no,

All used to moan except Daimlers strangely enough that put my stuff above Quentin Wilsons. Fame at last but hey they were gentlemanly enough to accept it both with the good grace and obvious intention on every time.

Not so this and I think another 57 varieties whom were in receipt of some sketched material and stanpmed adreessed return ones, and I got 3 back-Express(dad was City Editor on circa 1950s)autocar, he/i just bought, and Viz, nice replies but yes fine they had their own cartonist and maybe better ones too.

Yes I also hold my habd up  to getingt on peoples nerves on F1 sites, till we actually met in persons, they gave me a whole thread to play upon/on one but still feature some freebee toons and managed a ban off a very stuffy Piaggio scooter site, with the wonderous word begonne disruptive troll(what a lure type fishing device, which is what troll means in IT parlance,not some cgi kiddies film fare), )anyway before suffering any more sleepless night or indurous health issues, am tempted to exit for right portol, on the other hand might be more interesting to hang on in an bug you(plural anyone-does anyone out there know, can you help me, dissapears into a cloud of etherial dust when finding no echo out there in hyperspace)

heres another tip attempting to gang up with a other character because you feel it wasnt attacting enough response-better ask Buckley about yanks hereinand abouts, Woody Woodpecker (from toy story and Grease Monkey out on a ramble together, ho, but even if you knew not the ensuing fate of that 66 Landau and he would still have been in the dark regarding a hit makers TBird(and at least acknowleged that, as he did the actual car that was from the actual really early days of dragsters, not 15 years on in England, was still this stuff has been endlessly overplayed in many a car mag, including the guy that did them but got outvoted on the Guild Editorship at Gaydon,and stopped printing his very good periodicals out, so the faithfull, me included buy the much improved Classic american for our fixes, and hey guess what they have been known to print ny endless stuff hooray.

No apologies for the length of rant content context or whatsoever the elite regard as beneath them either, Gavin Boyd Thomson

Now I am really stumped! Any chance we can get back to the question at the top? Or should we best call this thread closed?

Chris M.

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Nurse! He's out again!