To Ramble, or not to Ramble...

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Thanks for asking how I am Petrolhead, I maybe can have a better idea after I hopefully get my delayed MR1 scan done tommorrow.

I think whatever else I am usually diplomatic but not he.... 

Also thank you Chris Martin for now apologising, twice, to me at least, no caviats to follow on my part, except had I known of your wife's situation i wouldnt have persued some of the perhaps rather childish ongoin pee takes, albeit I'm not sure -i was complicent with the Coldplay stuff.

-I glossed over the rather stunning picture of what at first glance I had thought was one of a young Sally Thomsett, who i had also just seen on TV in the old rather oddly disturbing Straw Dogs film on freesat channel.

So when I tackled a rather more indepth read of your screed, realised my repost to what I maybe wrongly perceived as 'a  personal attack' was actually if a tiny bit veiled,(you arent a lesser person for saying about your difficulties)but yes actually complimentary so maybe my repost came over as being heartless and not sympathetic, on my part. I do not think in the light of that either way the ongoing fueds continue .

Having been a full time carer and trying to cope with that and my serious health condition, I would be the first to be sympathetic to anyone else in the same boat.

I think you do have a valid point about some(or all of the nonesence being removed). If spammers filtered and the non aproaved ones, are ousted off here, after we report them,  a little pep talk really is not enough to prevent future occurencies, and whoesover is to blame, I include myself, then it should all be forgotten now.

Anyway in the words of a Led Zep song I'll Ramble on!

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Glad to hear you're ok.

GBt wrote:

Anyway in the words of a Led Zep song I'll Ramble on!

Wouldn't have it any other way. :)

Chris Martin
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GBt wrote:

Thanks for asking how I am Petrolhead, I maybe can have a better idea after I hopefully get my delayed MR1 scan done tommorrow.

I think whatever else I am usually diplomatic but not he.... 

Also thank you Chris Martin for now apologising, twice, to me at least, no caviats to follow on my part, except had I known of your wife's situation i wouldnt have persued some of the perhaps rather childish ongoin pee takes, albeit I'm not sure -i was complicent with the Coldplay stuff.

-I glossed over the rather stunning picture of what at first glance I had thought was one of a young Sally Thomsett, who i had also just seen on TV in the old rather oddly disturbing Straw Dogs film on freesat channel.

So when I tackled a rather more indepth read of your screed, realised my repost to what I maybe wrongly perceived as 'a  personal attack' was actually if a tiny bit veiled,(you arent a lesser person for saying about your difficulties)but yes actually complimentary so maybe my repost came over as being heartless and not sympathetic, on my part. I do not think in the light of that either way the ongoing fueds continue .

Having been a full time carer and trying to cope with that and my serious health condition, I would be the first to be sympathetic to anyone else in the same boat.

I think you do have a valid point about some(or all of the nonesence being removed). If spammers filtered and the non aproaved ones, are ousted off here, after we report them,  a little pep talk really is not enough to prevent future occurencies, and whoesover is to blame, I include myself, then it should all be forgotten now.

Anyway in the words of a Led Zep song I'll Ramble on!

Thanks Gavin, my occasional lapses from this forum have been due to the frequent visits to the hospital in Sydney which is taking up all my time. I may too end up as a full-time carer, too early to say yet.

By the way, it was V-8 Woodie who first came up with the Ramblers Association joke on 19th July on the thread about how many American cars in the UK after you and I had swapped reminiscences about old Thunderbirds.

As for our differences, there have been a few, and probably will be again, but they have usually been handled with some humour and I would not go so far as to call it a feud. I had noticed how many times in the past though that if we had a disagreement petrolhead wwould wade in immediately to stir things up and then pretend to be your friend.

As far as I can see, you are quite capable of defending yourself in any argument, but he has been desperately trying to recruit some allies in his attempts to derail my posts, which is why he has to create other charachters.

This thread will rattle along a while more yet, at least until 'admin' delete the lot, but none of this is aimed at you.

Chris M.

 

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Hi Chris. I think that we are both in an alright mood at the moment, so I guess that it would be the best time to try to tackle things sensibly. Having read your posts, I can see how some things I may have said got a bit out of hand in a heat of the moment kind of way, and if you took offense to anything I said, then I do apologise. I will try to prevent myself from throwing out such insults in the future, although in return, I think it's only fair that you also acknowledge where you may have caused our wires to have crossed too. I'm not blaming you. Having looked at both of our arguments, this really is a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'm sure you'll admit that on a few occasions, you have gone out of your way to try and get my back up. I know that from time to time that I have done the same to you, but this whole thing has really got out of hand, and that's down to the both of us.

The comments about your wife that I made were out of line, although in the heat of the moment, a lot of strange things were being said. I didn't know about your wife's medical issues at the time, and I do apologise for any offense that I caused you. If it means anything, I would like to also advise the admin to delete those few posts too. I do wish her all the best, and again, I am sorry for any offense caused.

Chris Martin wrote:

 I had noticed how many times in the past though that if we had a disagreement petrolhead wwould wade in immediately to stir things up and then pretend to be your friend.

As far as I can see, you are quite capable of defending yourself in any argument, but he has been desperately trying to recruit some allies in his attempts to derail my posts, which is why he has to create other charachters.

This thread will rattle along a while more yet, at least until 'admin' delete the lot, but none of this is aimed at you.

Chris M.

I genuinely do get on with GBt. I find his posts witty and enjoyable to read, and he seems like a top bloke. The reason that I try to defend him whenever there is an argument is because I try to stick up for what I think is right. That's just the way I am! He does the same for me.

As for Diplomat, I don't know how I can prove this to you, but he genuinely isn't me. I can see how you may have thought that he was. He appeared to jump to my side for assistance quite rapidly, for which I am appreciative, but he really ain't me!

 

This whole feud isn't going anywhere, and we've both done wrong. So, how about we call a truce? For good this time. All this is doing is bringing out the worst in each other, and let's face it, that's not why either of us signed up to this forum.

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petrolhead wrote:

Chris Martin wrote:

Yawn....................

Sums up this pointless thread perfectly.

As for your last four post (yes, four), that you did on this thread overnight, I read one. After that, I knew where it was going, so I didn't bother reading the rest. Now that I haven't argued with you about whatever it was that you said at all, I think that we can end it here. I didn't rise to your first few 'challenges', so you may as well stop now. Give it up Chris.

Ok, no more petty arguments. Just facts.

Thanks for that last post.

If proof were still needed that petrolhead and diplomat are the same person, there are yet more similarities. Petrolhead once wrote in an old thread about "who reads this forum....' back on the 17th August, that "I haven't read your whole post as I have other things to do today" and then went on to answer the points in it anyway. He obviously thinks this is a particularly witty put-down and knows very well he read every word, (probably more than once) to make sure his reply had the maximum impact.

Now, on the 6th November at 08.11 diplomat writes "I didn't read everything you wrote there by the way. Too much 'rambling'."

Petrolhead then writes, obviously running out of fresh ideas, at 11.59 "so I didn't bother reading the rest."

Many other similarites there are too close to be coincidence in the use of grammar, the same nouns and adjectives repeated by both. He has frequently called me a 'hypocrite' in the past, with never any evidence to back it up. Likewise both his usernames have called me a 'bully', based on what I don't know but from what I understand of the term it would refer to someone intimidating  or threatening someone else by taking advantage of size, or numbers. He is the one using muliple names (as well as trying hard to get GBt onside) to pursue his vendetta.

Another quote from diplomat  "coming up in yet another predictable and endless post" echoes a common ending in petrolhead's previous replies.

He did, give him credit for trying, attempt to pretend he was new here by asking "(EDIT: Does anyone know how to quote another post?)" but a couple of red herrings aren't fooling anyone.

After I made it clear I was ignoring petrolhead's remarks a couple of weeks ago, it must have rankled so creating a new persona must have seemd like a good idea. Hence the arrival on the scene of diplomat on 23rd October. Even the choice of name was a poor attempt at irony. After posting a couple of lightweight comments elsewhere of no real substance he then waded in to the 'ten greatest classics' thread on the 29th with a completely uncalled for  "And you accuse others (one in particular) of rambling on. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with your post, just that it consists of something that you complained about." Again very similar to previous posts by petrolhead. I immediately recognised who was behind it and refused the bait, so the following dialogue between pertrol head and diplomat, including in diplomat's reply the old petrolhead favourite of the misuse of the word hypocrite and more accusations of bullying was no surprise. The whole tone of his outburst was unconvincing;  why would a new member sign up now, claiming to have read a lot of old posts and then start an argument that was never anything to do with him, but using the same words and accusations of another?

I could go on, but luckily as C&SC is staffed by professional journalists who presumably have two qualifications for the job, one being a good command of the English language (the other, an interest in old cars) I am sure there is already enough evidence to convict.

The point of all this is just to remind admin that they have rules about people registering more than one name, and this has been a deliberately thought out campaign to keep alive his efforts to discredit me and anything I write in public.

Finally, I again formally request that the posts I have previously complained about, of an unnecessarily personal and offensive nature be removed from the forum. Once that is done, and the perpetrator of the fraud mentioned above is officially warned about his behaviour, then it would probably be best to remove this entire thread too as serving no further purpose.

Chris M.

 

 

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petrolhead wrote:

Hi Chris. I think that we are both in an alright mood at the moment, so I guess that it would be the best time to try to tackle things sensibly. Having read your posts, I can see how some things I may have said got a bit out of hand in a heat of the moment kind of way, and if you took offense to anything I said, then I do apologise. I will try to prevent myself from throwing out such insults in the future, although in return, I think it's only fair that you also acknowledge where you may have caused our wires to have crossed too. I'm not blaming you. Having looked at both of our arguments, this really is a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'm sure you'll admit that on a few occasions, you have gone out of your way to try and get my back up. I know that from time to time that I have done the same to you, but this whole thing has really got out of hand, and that's down to the both of us.

The comments about your wife that I made were out of line, although in the heat of the moment, a lot of strange things were being said. I didn't know about your wife's medical issues at the time, and I do apologise for any offense that I caused you. If it means anything, I would like to also advise the admin to delete those few posts too. I do wish her all the best, and again, I am sorry for any offense caused.

Chris Martin wrote:

 I had noticed how many times in the past though that if we had a disagreement petrolhead wwould wade in immediately to stir things up and then pretend to be your friend.

As far as I can see, you are quite capable of defending yourself in any argument, but he has been desperately trying to recruit some allies in his attempts to derail my posts, which is why he has to create other charachters.

This thread will rattle along a while more yet, at least until 'admin' delete the lot, but none of this is aimed at you.

Chris M.

I genuinely do get on with GBt. I find his posts witty and enjoyable to read, and he seems like a top bloke. The reason that I try to defend him whenever there is an argument is because I try to stick up for what I think is right. That's just the way I am! He does the same for me.

As for Diplomat, I don't know how I can prove this to you, but he genuinely isn't me. I can see how you may have thought that he was. He appeared to jump to my side for assistance quite rapidly, for which I am appreciative, but he really ain't me!

 

This whole feud isn't going anywhere, and we've both done wrong. So, how about we call a truce? For good this time. All this is doing is bringing out the worst in each other, and let's face it, that's not why either of us signed up to this forum.

Petrolhead, coincidence there, but I was writing as you were posting.

Apologies for personal remarks accepted.

Truce accepted.

Denial of use of the name diplomat NOT accepted.

My complaint to admin still stands and I expect a response.

At least we can get on with other stuff now.

Chris M.

 

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Denial of use of the name diplomat NOT accepted.

Just as I thought! I can't wait to prove you wrong about that one! To be honest though, back when things were really hotting up, I did actually consider setting up a new user. I then realised that it would require me setting up a new email address, so I didn't bother. No offense to the new guy, but I certainly wouldn't have called myself 'Diplomat'! If Diplomat appears to use the same language as me, then that must merely be a coincidence. And as for me saying that I wouldn't bother reading through the posts, that's because I didn't then. I did earlier, which prompted my previous post, as I didn't realise the extent of the things said at the time (although it wasn't all one-sided)!

As for the comment about my old Audi, I don't think that it's what kickstarted the whole thing.

Glad to hear that we can get on with things now, but I'd just like to add that it has never been an intention of mine to derail your thread, or anyone else's for that matter.

Let's just get on with the forum, and do what we intended to do back when we registered.

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petrolhead wrote:

Chris Martin wrote:

Denial of use of the name diplomat NOT accepted.

Just as I thought! I can't wait to prove you wrong about that one! To be honest though, back when things were really hotting up, I did actually consider setting up a new user. I then realised that it would require me setting up a new email address, so I didn't bother. No offense to the new guy, but I certainly wouldn't have called myself 'Diplomat'! If Diplomat appears to use the same language as me, then that must merely be a coincidence.

I have long been interested in English and languages in general and enjoy studying the different uses to which it has been put down the years, Voltaire, Dickens or Kerouac, all have their own style. I also write articles for many publications and try hard to make sure what is written is informative without being repetitive, grammatically correct, and hopefully, sometimes amusing.

The reason for me saying this now is that it is normal for someone to have their own identity in their writing and with practice it is easily identifiable. There are ways of constructing sentences, or even paragraphs that show certain patterns, Likewise everyone has slight variations in their use of grammar or vocabulary, but the most telling thing, which is harder to describe, is the recognition of the thought processes revealed in the written piece.

I know nothing about you, have had no other correspondence with you other than through this forum, I don't even know your geographical location but I can recognise your writing style, as easily as I can GBt's or any other regular contributor on here, and believe me, the writings of diplomat are way too similar to possibly be a coincidence.

Now, it is easily possible for anyone these days to set up muliple email accounts using false identities with the proliferation of Hotmail, gmail, or other service providers at no cost.

Of course it is possible that you got a mate to log in from his computer on your behalf (and think carefully, I am offering you a way out here) and then dictated your messages so he could post in your own words.

Either way, the results speak for themselves.

As for the remarks re the Audi, on my part, it was only intended as a light-hearted dismissal, but the humour obviously got mislaid along the way. It was from that point on that you seemed to take a dislike and responded with remarks about the Mercedes SLC being nothing special and the Model T being a restoration project gone wrong, which did seem intended as having a dig.

The Merc' indeed is not that special, a nice car though and one that has been featured in C&SC in the past so presumably merits a place on here. The T is not so much a resto' project gone wrong as one that has not really progressed very far, but one day.....

Anyway, all water under the bridge,

I have no wish to prolong any arguments.

Chris M.

 

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Chris Martin wrote:

Of course it is possible that you got a mate to log in from his computer on your behalf (and think carefully, I am offering you a way out here) and then dictated your messages so he could post in your own words.

Chris M.

A bit far-fetched! With all due to respect, I don't need to be offered a way out. I don't know how else to say this, but Diplomat really isn't a user that I have created.

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Glad to see that you are all friends again. It's nice to see that I was the talk of the town despite hardly doing anything. Not bad for a beginner, eh?

I think that I might give this forum a miss. I may occasionally pop back to add comments. The last few days have certainly been interesting, and I do hope that this forum is a success.

This is the end of the line for me. As I said, I might occasionally make a brief return, but for now at least, remember my last words: "I'M NOT PETROLHEAD!".