What recent or current models do you think are tomorrow's classics?

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GreaseMonkey (not verified)

Good call! Volvo T5 estate definitely, if you can find a good original low mileage one now. And to repeat what several have mentioned before, whatever one thinks of more recent sporty cars and their fun/value for money quotient, remember with all of these that when the manufacturers stop supporting them, which in most cases will be ten years after production stopped, they will be very hard to keep on the road. Modern cars use too many moulded plastic parts, and computer chips that will not be able to be economically replaced. Consider too the designed by computer, built by computer generation of cars for the most part can NOT have that indefineable soul that man made objects do. Having said that, of recent cars I would nominate the first generation original Smart as the first true revolution since the Mini, and the original Honda Insight (the cute little curvy one, not the new hi-tech version) as a brave attempt at new technology before the cynical greenie marketing folks hi-jacked the concept.

Chris Martin

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From France: Renault Avantime, Clio V6, Clio Williams, Clio 182 Trophy, Safrane bi-turbo!!, mk1 Espace, Renault 205 turbo 16, Rallye and GTI 1.9, 106 Rallye 1.3,  206 CC, Citroen C6, Xanthia Activa, All Venturis

From Italy: Apart from the supercars, Lacia Kappa Coupe, Thesis, Integrales and HF turbo Deltas, 3-litre GTVs and Spiders, 8C obviously, SZ, 3-litre 75, 155 Q4, 156 and 147 GTA, Brera, Fiat Coupe, Barchetta,

From Germany, Any 911 GT 2or 3, 968 Clubsport, 928 GTS, BMW M3 E30, M3 CSL, M3 GTS, M 635 CSI, M6, M5 3.8 6-cyl., Mercedes 190 Cosworths, AMG SLs and especially black editions, A-class 1st series without the recall modifications, Audi Quattro, TT mk1 without the later safety mods, RS4 V8, S8, RS6 V10 biturbo, VW Phaeton, Golf  VR6, Golf R32, GTI edition 30, Corrado VR6, Passat W8, Lupo GTI 6speed, Ford Escort Cosworths, Weissmans.

From Japan: early mk1 MX-5s, mk2 6-speed 1.8's, RX-7 batmobiles, 1.8 V6 MX-3's, Mitsubishi Evo3-9, FTO's, some late Toyota Supras, Celica GT fours, MR-2 mk1 and mk3, Skyline GT-Rs 32-33-34's, 200 SX mk1, 350 and 370Z , Subaru Impreza P1, 22B, Sti 2-ddors, RB5, 3 litre boxer manual  Legacy.

From the UK: apart from Astons (especially V12s), Bentley 2-doors, R-R Phantoms, Morgans (especially the new 3-wheeler), MG 260, V8 Rover 75, Mini Cooper GP, Ariel Atoms, Lotus Exige and limited edition Elises, Lotus Carlton,  Ford Puma Racing, Ford Focus RS mk1 and2, Jaguar XKR, XJR S-typeR, Caterhams, Nobles,

 

GreaseMonkey (not verified)

Blimey!

Sounds like any Tesco car park.

Just as well this question was originally posted in 'Non Classic Matters'!

Chris M.

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I believe Future Classics fall into two catergories, Cars you hankered after & cars your dad/uncle/brother/friends former roommate had.

When you get to that time of your life when your disposable income increases, people buy cars that fall into the above two catergories. This means that the Vintage market will gradually shrink as they fall out of common memory, and will be replaced by more modern metal.

Having said this a lot of the modern machinery requires some very complex, sometimes computer controlled, parts, and this will price them off the road. An example of this is i recently had to have a new clutch on my mondeo, but because it uses a dual-mass flywheel, that was also at the end of its life, so with a couple of other parts, and a reasonable labour bill i was still out £1500 on a £2000 car!

I think the DC2 Honda Integra is a good call as future classic, especially with the way Honda are supporting there older cars with the Classic Parts scheme.

Cars like this that can be run reasonablly eonomically in the current market have got to be a strong seller.

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beach bum wrote:

From France: Renault Avantime, Clio V6, Clio Williams, Clio 182 Trophy, Safrane bi-turbo!!, mk1 Espace, Renault 205 turbo 16, Rallye and GTI 1.9, 106 Rallye 1.3,  206 CC, Citroen C6, Xanthia Activa, All Venturis

From Italy: Apart from the supercars, Lacia Kappa Coupe, Thesis, Integrales and HF turbo Deltas, 3-litre GTVs and Spiders, 8C obviously, SZ, 3-litre 75, 155 Q4, 156 and 147 GTA, Brera, Fiat Coupe, Barchetta,

From Germany, Any 911 GT 2or 3, 968 Clubsport, 928 GTS, BMW M3 E30, M3 CSL, M3 GTS, M 635 CSI, M6, M5 3.8 6-cyl., Mercedes 190 Cosworths, AMG SLs and especially black editions, A-class 1st series without the recall modifications, Audi Quattro, TT mk1 without the later safety mods, RS4 V8, S8, RS6 V10 biturbo, VW Phaeton, Golf  VR6, Golf R32, GTI edition 30, Corrado VR6, Passat W8, Lupo GTI 6speed, Ford Escort Cosworths, Weissmans.

From Japan: early mk1 MX-5s, mk2 6-speed 1.8's, RX-7 batmobiles, 1.8 V6 MX-3's, Mitsubishi Evo3-9, FTO's, some late Toyota Supras, Celica GT fours, MR-2 mk1 and mk3, Skyline GT-Rs 32-33-34's, 200 SX mk1, 350 and 370Z , Subaru Impreza P1, 22B, Sti 2-ddors, RB5, 3 litre boxer manual  Legacy.

From the UK: apart from Astons (especially V12s), Bentley 2-doors, R-R Phantoms, Morgans (especially the new 3-wheeler), MG 260, V8 Rover 75, Mini Cooper GP, Ariel Atoms, Lotus Exige and limited edition Elises, Lotus Carlton,  Ford Puma Racing, Ford Focus RS mk1 and2, Jaguar XKR, XJR S-typeR, Caterhams, Nobles,

 

Which of these are current? the youngest from France is a 2005 car. From Germany they are all out of production (bar the 911), and by the way I think the Escort Cosworth might be British! From Italy, all out of production, the youngest being the Maserati 8C) ...

The question is/was current cars, in production - well dare I say the Telsa electric poo, Lotus Elise/Exige (the last of the "true" Lotus), 997 GT3, of course usual Vette, Porsche, Ferrari and all, but they always are.

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Sorry but wasnt the Cossie based on the Pinto at least engine wise, an American design, for the Pinto-car, later to find homes in Cortinas, RS Escorts Mexicos and 2000s, wid the original oil fed starvational properties of blocked oil pipes to Fords first mainstream OHC attempt-Vauxhall and Peugeot made similar guffs.a bit like Harry Mundays designed for Lotus.original Kent 4 pot 1498 effort, later 1558, which had a twin cam head on an inocent OHV 4 pot, Cosworths too tacked on twink,wid at first a big Turbo, later a much more lag prone 500 version, dare I mention the Cologne engined XR4 or its South African XR8 version. better looking I summise?1

surely the Escort Cosworth RS,was plonked onto a shortened wheel based RS 500 Cossie Saphire wheelbase, to make an instant Rally car after the demise of group b specials like the RS 200,and even so the AVO Dunton special saloons,had german bodies sourced.the Granada Cosworth was a different animal entirely, with its Cologne engined 2.9?, so part English, parts bin as was the 4/4 Sierra 2.9 V6..

A show I went to at a little pub in Fiddlers Hamlet complete wid jug band, as the weather was nice,therein a decade or more ago, found a  young guy who  had a 7 type based Dax,on a 4 by 4 Cossie giving out 400 brake at the road wheels.

A guy I used to know who looked after Gates Ford collection inclusive of their Lincoln Zephyr, was also main foreman at Woodford, and he reckoned the then new out Mondeo was a mechanic's nightmare. After 26 years in the game he was getting despondant.

As a result I wasnt sure to replace my old Cortina Pinto OHC Mk5 with one. However both mine have over a decade + done huge mileages and maybe I'm lucky, the latest I bought because the first had been marvellous, but ironically dispalyed clutch judder on our sloped driveway-in the wet/ or is it traction control on full bore acceleration, tc was in its description, which unlike the first one, one avoids, the floor it from lights scenario..That had done 178,000 and was still soldiering on a couple of years later on, in someone else locally's hands. My latest a Fleabay cheapy Zetec 2.0l has been equally reliable over 3 years now,but needed new steering arm(pointless just doing one)and rod ends but they had been modded and the rubbers wouldnt fit, so the ones I got patented were half the price of one Ford job alone-complete, two High speed rated low profiles this year made me hanker for the old slim LX1 steel rim jobs, on price basis but of course ultimate grip is higher, ride worse still.Then there is insurance and full tax to take into account.

Someone at my sailing club had a Sceptre based Ginetta estate and old Morris Mini Minor and said once if that (Mondeo) goes wrong it costs a fortune mine I can fix myself, he said also,

yes but then mine never goes wrong say's me back

-now he has a focus Estate, so who is correct???and what is actually English now or and future classic?.

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he mercedes CLS is a classic car but if goes on the hand of a tuner became a 2012 Brabus Rocket 800 revealed at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show held last month. It is considered the world’s fastest sedan