What recent or current models do you think are tomorrow's classics?
Aside from the obvious Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini and other high end offerings, what new or new-ish models do you think will be treasured in 20 or 30 years?
I think it will have a lot to do with attrition John. Production numbers for mainstream cars are so much higher nowadays that it is hard to imagine MGFs and BMW Z3s ever becoming cherished in the same way as Bs and TRs. At least not until they are a lot more scarce. 30 years is a long time, though, and probably any current 2-seater sports car surviving by then will be considered a classic (mind you the MX-5 will still be in production with a jet-pack or something!).
I'l come back to this on non-sports cars. Good question.
Great question John, and I think James' point is key: sheer bulk of production dilutes the 'special' feel of most moderns, so it's hard to imagine them being coveted in the way that our beloved classics are. So I reckon you want to be looking out for limited-run specials, and I've got a couple of nominations: how about the Mk1 Ford Focus RS and the Ford Racing Puma? These cars were built in small numbers, brilliantly engineered up to a standard rather than down to a budget, and are great fun to drive. actually, you can see how coveted they are from the way they have held their values so well...
We did a 'classics of the future' piece in our 25th-anniversary magazine (April 2007), so let's see what you make of these: Vauxhall VX220 Turbo, Toyota Supra (1990s job), Nissan 350Z, Lamborghini Gallardo, Porsche Cayman, Smart Roadster, Noble M12, BMW M3 CSL, Ford Focus RS and Honda S2000.
I have a theorey that what becomes a "classic" is in the eye of the beholder, after all what does classic actually mean?
That argument aside (and that will be it's own thread I am sure) I think there are two routes, the first being the "what was on the bedroom wall when I was 10" which leads to Ferraris, Lambos and other expensive things. The second route is the first car and people wanting to return to childhood when they get older.
I was lucky, I had a 20 year old Morris Minor as my first car but nearly all of my firends had Metros, I think that these will become classics in the same way that mk1 Escorts etc have today.
It may not be fast and exciting but I guarantee that if you turn up to an old car meet in one you will get more attention in one of them than some ropey old Porsche...
Things like the MG XPower SV are collector’s items now, so will be even more so in 20 years.
I also agree with Al, stuff like MK4 Supra RZ’s (The 90’s 6 speed manual with the 2jzgte engine) and some of the other more fragile main stream metal (RX7’s etc). At the way 350z’s are depreciating at the moment, id be surprised if there were any left n 20 years :-)
I'd have to say that with the exception of any current super car, there is probably very little chance of the modern euro boxes and 'normal' cars becoming a future classic - unlike the case forty/fifty years ago when many of the cars being built were destined to be future classics - but that is maybe due to their British heritage? as opposed to the choice of continental cars we have today - will we ever see a Renault Grand Scenic Oweners Club appearing in the next 20 years?
so therefore is there any mainstream car likely to be a future classic or as mentioned before, only if they are part of a limited run then maybe? years ago it was the majority of long running makes and models that are the classics now - all the triumph range for example - no chance of that nowadays?
speaking of renault thought, the coupe cabriolet, being the first metal folding roof car was a great car that my other half owned :) maybe just maybe.......
Well,I would say personally that a few of the late 70`s early 80`s cars considered as "who would want one of those" could become a collectable
for example Austin Maxi,Princess Wedge,Datsun Cherry,Morris Marina Coupe,Ford Sierra,Triumph Acclaim .These cars were popoular family/
sales reps cars,most have either gone to breakers yards or cashed in for the Goverment trade in,.For most of us,owning Classics is all about
Nostalgia,maybe the first car you remember seeing,or the family run about.
We are seeing a glutton of 1980's sports/saloons/hatches appear on the market and making big money. RS Turbo's, Cosworths are commanding top money and it is, therefore, my humble opinion that cars of a similar ilk will follow suit.
I would imagine fine examples of 205 GTi's, Renault 5 Turbos, Mk II Golf GTi's (The Mark I is already a bona fide classic) to start to become popoular. And what about Alfa 155's, BMW M3 E36's, Renault Clio V6's etc etc..
On more of a modern theme, I own a 2005 350z Nissan. The phase 1 of the model is lauded by the motoring press as one of the best in the range thanks to having greater torque and drivablility that later versions. Surely a future classic too...?
The starting price at around £40k is a little high, but the BMW 1M Coupe looks awesome, and they are only making 450 of them. Practical performance indeed.
I believe the Alfa 159 Sportwagon is potentially a classic. That said, I am a biased old so-and-so...
Quite funny to see what people think may be a future classic, Mazda mx5 and ford puma etc will probably be great affordable classics like MGs and triumphs are at the moment but putting the word ABARTH in front of a modern computer controlled hatch will not make it a future classic. Even lovely citreon c5 and avantime Renault may run in to serious trouble in the future due to complex electronics. If you want to buy a future classic on the cheap, although keeping them in good nick will not be cheap, I would go for an early Saab 900 convertible or the fantastic Volvo T5 estates. Powerful , great to drive , usual Volvo durability and reliability plus good ones are becoming rare. BUY NOW, but not the saloon.