Define a 'Classic'...?

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DUESIE
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PP, sorry about the diversions, looks like someone forgot to take his pill again, so the whole thread has to wait while he gets it out of his system. But if I can bump this back on topic, (as I do think it an important debate for all classic car fans), I will precis my previous posts and see if we can start again. Let's assume we agree to accept the definition of historic as thirty years old and original for now, but that is not the same as 'classic'. If we do include anything even slightly old or use classic as a loose term that anyone can apply to the most ordinary 'grey porridge' cars, how do we then identify the true classics. I mean surely there must be a difference in adjectives to label a Fiesta XR2 or a Dusenberg SSJ? David chose to include the SAAB 99GL which from memory had only an igntion switch on the floor and handbrake cables that crossed over (so as to confuse anyone trying to adjust them) to tell it from a Marina, while at least his GSA continued the pioneering use of pressurised hydraulics that sets Citroen apart from the herd (even if the styling had not already done that). So we are no nearer to answering PP's initial question, but for now may I suggest we use at least two tiers of recognition; Classic with a capital C for REAL classics, and classic with a small c for anything that is of lesser interest, but even then we would still need a dividing line. Reading through what has been said so far does highlight the different way people understand the term. You asked originally if there is a specific date; it seems not, at least not one that is generally agreed on. The example that some insurance companies may have a so-called 'classic' policy for a car over a certain age is just a marketing label to get you interested in their product with no basis in either industry standards or UK law. Then there is no concensus on how a car would qualify on terms of engineering, styling, history etc, so if there are no rules written down it will be up to the individual. I decided to check with the Collins Concise English Dictionary for the meaning of classic; 1 - of the highest class, esp of art and literature, (well that excludes GBt then) 2 - serving as a standard or model of it's kind, (sorry David Evans, but I dispute the SAAB's inclusion), 3 - adhering to an established set of principles in the arts or sciences (so a resounding thumbs up for the Bugatti family), 4 - characterised by simplicity, balance, regularity, and purity of form; classical (Lotus Elan, Porsche 911). Other definitions include; continuously in fashion because of its simple style (Mini, VW Beetle etc), or lastly; a creation or work considered as definitive (so Rolls Royce Silver Ghost). In defence of Nuno, I don't think he was trying to say the question was a waste of time as much as because there is no fixed answer it is a discussion with no end. Hope this gets us back on track!
plastic penguin
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I'll have to read this in the morning - cream crackered.

Nightie night.

Chris Martin
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DUESIE wrote:

Thanls for the explanation GBt, all clear as mud now! Sorry folks, but I had to

Leave it Duesie.

email sent.

C.M.

 

Dinsdale Piranha
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Not much changed round here then?

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No, if anything he's got worse, and now your chipping in is the worst possible timing; this will be taken as proof there is definitely a conspiracy.

How can we defuse this UXB now?

Chris M.

 

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Chris Martin wrote:

No, if anything he's got worse, and now your chipping in is the worst possible timing; this will be taken as proof there is definitely a conspiracy.

How can we defuse this UXB now?

Chris M.

Message to GBt and DUESIE: Please STOP this bickering! This is no good for our collective sanities. If you don't I'll send the boys round

:Bashes head on wall:

DUESIE
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plastic penguin wrote:

Chris Martin wrote:

No, if anything he's got worse, and now your chipping in is the worst possible timing; this will be taken as proof there is definitely a conspiracy.

How can we defuse this UXB now?

Chris M.

Message to GBt and DUESIE: Please STOP this bickering! This is no good for our collective sanities. If you don't I'll send the boys round

:Bashes head on wall:

Careful pp, no more headbashing. The relevant part of the 'classic' debate is still ongoing. I think what Chris meant there was to warn Dinsdale off, since he too dared to criticise GBt's rubbish posts a long time ago. Now poor Gav has an idea that anyone who does not get his thinking must all be part of the big conspiracy. Chris has emailed me and Dinsdale to explain, but it's probably best if I too stay off here for a while. Let things calm down a bit.

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 metaphorically any head banging will not need the aide of the boys,hereby, however, but if the boys are back in town, I'll stick the kettle on the hob whist I hear that old Tin Lizzie, . futt futt futt, trailered behind, Plastic Trump Plaques and bags of Bad Manners records,.bye,tara, adiou and hopefully finally goodbye.CU soon,

not

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GBt wrote:

 metaphorically any head banging will not need the aide of the boys,hereby, however, but if the boys are back in town, I'll stick the kettle on the hob whist I hear that old Tin Lizzie, . futt futt futt, trailered behind, Plastic Trump Plaques and bags of Bad Manners records,.bye,tara, adiou and hopefully finally goodbye.CU soon,

not

Oh. My. God. I know I've been spucing up some door frames today, didn't realise I inhaled so many toxins.

In layman's terms that's....?

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A classic is a car of at least thirty years old that has style, panache and a nice-sounding engine.
Other than that, I can't suggest anything.